12.27.2005

Remaking Jesus in our gentler image


Again, Doug Wilson on Brian McLaren:

"it is clear that McLaren has a hearing, and many people in evangelical circles are paying attention to him. But because his liberalism and unbelief are so transparent, the fact that otherwise intelligent people are being taken in by him shows that this is a spiritual matter, and not a question of IQ. In the Bible, folly is a moral category, not an intelligence category. This means that anyone who thinks McLaren is "just great" needs to.... just repent. Tell God you're sorry. Humble yourself. Stop staring at the pig food. Just go home.

"[McLaren says:] 'Jesus didn't want to create an in-group which would banish others to an out-group; Jesus wanted to create a come-on in group, one that sought and welcomed everyone' (p. 247). [Wilson:] This is why Jesus talked so much about people being bound hand and foot, and thrown into the 'come-on-in darkness.' Where the worm is friendly, and the fire cozy."

11 Comments:

At 8:42 PM, Anonymous Tim Rotman said...

Hi Steve,

I confess I haven't read "Generous Orthodoxy", but I have read some of McLaren's other stuff. While I don't agree with him on every point, I do respect the fact that he is trying to reach a group of people who the traditional church has not been too effective at reaching.

I confess I am sometimes discouraged when I encounter the attitude that anytime we "try to reach" someone by meeting them where they are at, we are watering down the gospel. While I agree that Jesus spoke of being "thrown into the darkness" I don't think it is fair to characterize this as something "Jesus talked so much about...". Jesus also invited the weary to come to him for rest... was he "watering down the gospel" when he did this?

I may not go as far as McLaren in attempts to reach others, but I think it is time we reflect on the possibility that we haven't gone far enough out of fear of watering down the gospel.

 
At 9:08 PM, Blogger Steve said...

Perhaps some more McLaren will help, Tim...

"'Just as Jesus' incarnation bound him, not just to the Jewish people, but to all humanity, his incarnation links his followers to all people -- including . . . people of other religions" (p. 249).

"No. The Christian faith, I am proposing, should become (in the name of Jesus Christ) a welcome friend to other religions of the world, not a threat" (p. 254).

"We must accept the coexistence of different faiths in our world willingly, not begrudgingly" (p. 256).

"It may be advisable in many (not all!) circumstances to help people become followers of Jesus and remain within their Buddhist, Hindu, or Jewish contexts. This will be hard, you say, and I agree. But frankly, it's not at all easy to be a follower of Jesus in many 'Christian' religious contexts, either" (p. 260).

"I don't hope all Jews or Hindus will become members of the Christian religion. But I do hope all who feel so called will become Jewish or Hindu followers of Jesus" (p. 264).

This isn't so much watering down the Gospel - neither I nor Wilson am arguing that way. What's going on here is multi-culturalism and pluralism taken to its logical end.

McLaren seems to think thus: if we want to gain an audience in the world today, we have to either pretend, or believe ourselves, that the religion of those we seek to win is just as good as ours. Else no one will listen to our arrogance. This is going down the wrong road, and assumes that religious certainty is arrogance.

Only in McLaren's delusional, humility-is-the-only-absolute kind of world could this be true. But I grant that many Christians are attracted to this humility as trump card mindset.

 
At 12:21 AM, Blogger RogueMonk said...

Agreed, again.

 
At 12:56 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks for the good post Steve. Tim, what Maclaren does is not merely watering down the gospel, but syncretism of the worst sort so that the gospel is not the gospel at all.

 
At 5:34 PM, Anonymous Tim Rotman said...

Has anyone here read the book in its entirity, or are you all basing this on Wilson's critique?

I hate to do it, but I may have to read the book now just to find out what he really is trying to say!

 
At 7:00 PM, Blogger RogueMonk said...

Yes, I have read the book (and some others from McLaren). I think the biggest issue I have is the subtlty with which McLaren writes. On the one hand he seems to affirm everything, and on the other he seems to affirm nothing. At some point the Gospel of Jesus Christ must say yes to someting and no to something else. McLaren's geneorur orthodocy is too generous to be orthodox...even though all he rhetoric is there and it sounds oh so good (perhpas like the forbidden fruit in Eden??).

 
At 9:08 PM, Blogger Steve said...

Tim, I haven't read it, though I've had it in my hands at a bookstore.

I take issue with the implied criticism, though. I don't think one needs to read the book in its entirety in order to criticize a small part of it. Of course, criticism should be careful and give the benefit of the doubt, etc., but one must also do what McLaren and many other postmodernists so often argue *against*: come to conclusions. A decent review will quote enough of McLaren to allow his own arguments to come through, and then critique them; Wilson does that.

Believe me, I too am often frustrated with conservative Christians - especially when they are ignorant or abrasive, as is McLaren. But his response gives away the store. In trying to be everything to everybody, he sounds a lot like Al Gore, trying to connect with everybody and ending up with no identity or value higher than humility and "dialogue."

 
At 11:04 AM, Anonymous Tim Rotman said...

"I don't think one needs to read the book in its entirety in order to criticize a small part of it."

The problem is that it is the entirety of the book that helps us understand what the "small part" is really trying to say.

For example:
Romans 5:18 (NIV)
"Consequently, just as the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for ALL men." (emphasis mine)

Taken out of context, I would say that Paul is on McLaren's side of this issue.

 
At 12:44 AM, Blogger Steve said...

Yes, Tim, I know how things can be taken out of context, and am aware it is a possibility as I read a review of McLaren. But knowing Wilson quite well, I also know that that is a remote possibility.

Where are the brakes on this "context" thing? Once we read the whole book and don't agree, are we to continue giving him the benefit of the doubt until we read his other books, to get the context of THIS book? What are we seeking in all this context? To come around to his view? At some point the benefit of the doubt is lost, in favor of better writers.

I'm interested in why you assume his review DOES take McLaren out of context.

None of this deals with content: RogueMonk hits it well, saying the Gospel has to say NO to something sometime (Acts 19:26). McLaren persistently refuses to do this. He wants to dialogue with Diana worshipers as equal partners. Acts 18:4-11 is instructive, revealing a sort of dialogue nothing like this. Paul persuades and teaches and condemns people when they refuse him, and goes to others.

 
At 12:02 PM, Anonymous Tim Rotman said...

Steve, you ask: "I'm interested in why you assume his review DOES take McLaren out of context."

When it comes to matters of faith, I'm one of those people who, like Thomas, come to believe more readily through experience than through words. (I know... very un-reformed of me!)

Also, I have heard & read enough of McLaren and others like him to hope that their fumbling attempts at articulating their emmerging faith might yet provide us with an innoculation against the Pharisaism that Jesus rails against in Matthew 23 and the liberalism that leads only to a dead God and a meaningless faith.

I just started the book... I'll let you know what I find!

 
At 5:28 PM, Anonymous Tim Rotman said...

Mclaren on McLaren...

McLaren, p. 39 -- "The people I'm primarily writing for are the Christians (or former Christians) -- evangelical, liberal, Catholic, whatever -- who are about to leave (or have just left) the whole business becasue of the kinds of issues I raise in this book. And equally, I'm writing for the spiritual seekers who are attracted to Jesus, but they don't feel there's room for them in what is commonly called Christianity unless they swallow a lot of additional stuff. Not essential orthodoxy, [which, by the way, Mclaren seems to indicate as being the tenets of the Apostle's and Nicene Creeds], but rather doctrinal distinctives -- the fine print added to the contract of orthodoxy -- that are fine to explore and discuss but threaten to become far more important than the gospel warrants."


For some reason that paragraph made me wonder what it would look like if we tried to develop a theological orthodoxy based on the experience of the theif on the cross. One day, he's a criminal. The next, he's in paradise. What did he believe or not believe that brought about such a change? Is it possible that Christianity could be reduced to the theology of the thief on the cross and still be orthodox?

 

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